Updates in Javea

Hi XabiaMar owners,

I have created this web log as a centre point for Javea property owners and other people living, working or moving to Javea, to use as a discussion area and to keep everyone updated on news on the Xabiamar complex. Please feel free to add comments and news items on any subject. I have visited, lived and worked in Javea with my wife Dawn, for over 20 years. Please ask us any questions that you have and we will endeavour to answer them.

Best Regards,

Steve & Dawn Nott

Posted by: Lumi Mitescu on Friday 14th July 2006

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Stephen Nott said:

Hi All, Good news. I have just come off the telephone to Marina Villas and we now have enough electricity to run all six blocks in the complex, not as before when only one was constantly cutting out. The builder has now tendered out prices to finish the pool pump house with filter system and other equipment needed, before he can clean and fill the pool with water. We are still waiting for the town hall to agree on the original plan relating to the height issue. The garage door is still off, but the electric gates from the road provide some security. Lets hope that we will have the cedula before the summers out. Regards, Steve Nott

Posted on Friday 14th July at 15:10:00

Rob Townsend said:

Hi Steve, excellent news! have they said or do you have any idea of a time frame for getting the pool up and running? Rob

Posted on Friday 14th July at 15:11:00

Colin Douch said:

Great facility Steve – thanks very much. Amazing that pool building works haven’t yet been completed – what else could be missing? I’d still be concerned about signing up on builders supplies given the personality of the promoter. A few weeks ago residents at another complex (Costa Blanca News), who had been paying extortionate amounts for builders’ electricity for years, had their supplies cut off by the builder.

Posted on Saturday 15th July at 15:12:00

Stephen Nott said:

Hi Rob & Colin, The pool was finished by the constructors, part of the Marina Villas group, pre-installation only, pipes and electric supply. The promoter is actively getting quotes for the filter, pump, etc. Other problems will fall into snaggings list. Fingers crossed for the Cedula.

Posted on Sunday 16th July at 15:13:00

Stephen Nott said:

I have been told today that the pool is now full with water and is functional. See you in the deep end!!

Posted on Wednesday 26th July at 15:14:00

Rob Townsend said:

steve is the pool definitely full and working?

Posted on Thursday 27th July at 15:16:00

Stephen Nott said:

Hi Rob, Yes it is, my wife was there on Tuesday am and its fully functional. I will take photos later today and post them here. Rgds Steve

Posted on Friday 28th July at 15:17:00

Rob Townsend said:

Thanks Steve, thats great.. have you any idea how the builder will create a bill for the water and electric for each user for the period it is on builders supplies? which hopefully wont be for ever! and I imagine many people will wonder what rates they charge for the supply in the mean time. Regards Rob

Posted on Saturday 29th July at 15:18:00

Stephen Nott said:

Hi Rob, The builders supply is normally free, until the meters are fitted. These are fitted after the cedula…. Regards, Steve

Posted on Saturday 29th July at 15:18:00

Colin Douch said:

Steve, would you mind answering a few of my concerns please. You say that water and electricity is normally free. Are you getting this agreed contractually with Sendra? What’s his view? If completion hasn’t happened for many of the apartments, and the C of H is still outstanding do you know if the Community Association will still be formed, and does Sendra have to make up the shortfall in finances to keep the complex and pool clean, and everything well maintained? Builders have 4 years to get the C of H, what happens if this isn’t achieved – how do owners stand? No-one has yet asked us to complete, did anyone ask you, or did you pursue this yourself with Sendra?

Posted on Sunday 30th July at 15:19:00

Stephen Nott said:

Hi Colin, I am meeting with Rafael Sendra on Tuesday, when we will sign the deeds. I will answer your questions regarding the costs and cedula after this meeting. We have made the decision to sign, now that the water is in the pool and constant power is available. It is very common for the cedula to take time to come through, especially that nothing will happen in August. Regards, Steve

Posted on Sunday 30th July at 15:20:00

Colin Douch said:

Thanks Steve, we’d very much appreciate getting answers to these questions. As you’re seeing Sendra on Tue maybe you’d ask him to confirm that the only issue outstanding with the TH is the height of the buildings. Sendra and/or the architect are said to be going to sue the TH over this. What we’d like to know is – is the promoter intending to pay the fine to get the C of H and then sue the TH, or does he intend to sue the TH because he cannot get the C of H without paying a fine? If the latter is the case then I guess that this could delay the C of H for years. Looking forward to your update. Regards, Colin

Posted on Sunday 30th July at 15:21:00

Steve Bartlett said:

We have employed a lawyer to protect our interests and he has advised us against completion untill the C of H is issued.

Posted on Sunday 30th July at 15:21:00

Colin Douch said:

Steve, I’d assumed that everyone has a lawyer handling their purchase who’d offer advice. Have you someone special providing more than this? Has s/he detailed what the risks would be?

Posted on Monday 31st July at 15:22:00

Stephen Nott said:

Hi Colin, My gestor, Manolo is involved with this type of purchase all the time and he was a bank manager with BBVA. If there was a huge risk to complete, Manolo, Cam bank and I would not sign today. Please remember that we have been involved with purchasing property here for over 19 years. We understand the culture, attitude and have assistance with the law in Spain. We live here because its Spain, and we feel comfortable with it. Regards, Steve

Posted on Tuesday 1st August at 15:22:00

Colin Douch said:

Steve (Nott), my email was not directed at you but was in response to that of the other Steve (Bartlett) i.e his email of 30/7/06. Hope you had a good result with Sendra and look forward to your news. Regards Colin

Posted on Tuesday 1st August at 15:23:00

Stephen Nott said:

I had a very positive meeting with Rafael Sendra and his wife at the notary office yesterday to sign the deeds of our new apartment. Firstly the bank manager of Cam has told me that there would be no concern in completing before the cedula was issued for the following reasons. 1. Cam bank have worked over 6 years with Rafael and they are confident in his work and reputation as an experienced constructor, unlike other comments and reports that this is his first project. 2. Cam would not allow mortgages on JaveaMar, if they were not happy with Rafael and that the cedula would not be eventually issued by the town hall of Javea. 3. The mortgage with Cam is already arranged and is up to 10.000 euros cheaper than if you set up a new mortgage with another bank. You will avoid paying AJD tax on the existing mortgage. The rate is 4.20% and after one year it will be 0.90% above Euribor. If another bank quote you 0.70% above Euribor you will save around 3 euros a month, but your setup costs would be up to 10.000 euros more! Rafael has over 15 years experience in building apartments in Spain, mainly in and around Valencia. The Javea town hall are causing the delay in completion and they have denied receiving the revised architects plans. The town hall will not place in writing the reasons why the cedula will not be issued soon. Rafael said that he will take the town hall to court, as he has done everything by the book, he is totally transparent in his attitude and he works with many other town halls in Spain and he has never had problems. The water and electricity will be paid by the residents as and when they move in, until meters are in place the bills will be divided. The community of owners will be formed when there are enough residents, around 10. There is a managing agent already in place, details to follow. I was impressed with the fact that after we signed the deeds, Rafael and his wife accompanied us to the apartment to check the water was on, electricity was working and any snaggings, were resolved personally by Rafael. When I have purchased before or sold a new apartment, I have never had the developer personally assisting the purchaser. I am happy that we have signed the deeds and that we can start to rent the apartment and enjoy the income right now. I understand that your solicitors are telling you all not to sign, that’s what they are paid to say, but the Cam bank manager, my gestor and my own feeling is that the sooner we move in and start to manage the complex ourselves, we will all benefit. This happens a lot in Spain, move in and wait for the cedula, its only a matter of time. While you wait you are losing the income or enjoyment of using your apartment. Its up to you. Good luck!

Posted on Wednesday 2nd August at 15:24:00

Rob Townsend said:

Congratulations on signing up Steve, thanks for the pictures. As you know I signed up some time ago now but for what its worth to other readers my solicitor had no fears in sugessting signing up prior to the cedula, so I just did it. Havent regretted that at all. I just cant get time to go and Jump in the pool yet !

Posted on Saturday 5th August at 15:24:00

Mike Nye said:

Retd to UK 20th July after many weeks of total non action by all parties.Good news if electric now ok-we had constant problems @lost fridge/freezer of food @ lift occasional working pls check current situation. Re the pool NO handrails have been fitted to help entry

Posted on Sunday 6th August at 15:25:00

Mike Nye said:

cont.Molina Villas confirmed entry & childrens rails would be in place to both sides of the pool! I am on two walking sticks & could not use the pool as it as present! Re the main garage door Raffa will NOT replace the removed

Posted on Sunday 6th August at 15:26:00

Mike Nye said:

cont. door result poor security-open access any persons can enter & go up to any floor!! We tried to obtain a telephone but not possible due to missing pasts by builder!! when complete? also no cable connection for TV English until all flats signed for. In the pool area is supposed to be bench seats & waste bins & grass according to the original designs/spec-when will the area be changed!! On entry to block 1 should be a long ramp for prams,wheelchairs etc The small ramp constructed is NO USE at all too steep no one will change this despite numerous effots!! Finally Maria watered the main plants twice/three times a week. The plants at the back are nearly all dead as no water is available!! Why is there no automatic watering system!! Finally there is the foor problem-we visited the Town Hall & the roof must be changed!! Finally confirmation must be recd. on these issues BEFORE signing & most necessary is the CEDULA.

Posted on Sunday 6th August at 15:26:00

Graham Rogers said:

Hi Everyone, Have swum in pool and it’s great. Marina Villas have looked after us well. Xabiamar looks good with very few things left to correct. Agree that the more of us complete, the quicker we get things finished. By the way, the CAM mortgage is clean, cheap and simple.

Posted on Friday 1st September at 15:27:00

Rob Townsend said:

Hi I stayed at our apartment with my partner Deb and our 3 year old son over the last ten days. (Nice to meet you steve!) We experienced no problems with electricity or water supply at all. The water has excellent pressure. Im not sure how the electric would be with more load put upon it? There Pool is being cleaned and the plants are being watered by builders employees. The grounds are a little dusty / muddy where the rain water is leaving the flower beds full of mud via the drainage channel! this is then sitting on the bricks with no where to go, and it does build up!so there is an issue there to sort out. As you can imagine some of the communal areas need cleaning after the builders as its dusty and some tiles have been broken where furniture has been pulled over them. But we had a great time and our son was fine in the pool, even though there are no rails to get in, or posts to mark the deeper area. I believe the pool is safe for kids as long as parents are also safe! Rob

Posted on Monday 4th September at 15:27:00

Stephen Nott said:

Hi, Please note that the complex called Xabiamar 1, has no connection with the estate agents called JaveaMar Properties.

Posted on Tuesday 5th September at 15:28:00

Steve Bartlett said:

Why are JaveaMar Properties still advertising Xabiamar 1 properties on their web site. We also had to get the key to look around our appartment from them not Marina Villas when last over.

Posted on Wednesday 6th September at 15:28:00

Rob Townsend said:

Hi All Just been out to the Apartments doing some work. Electric and water are all consistent but I must say that there is a problem with the drainage from the ground floor flower beds. When water passes through it is depositing large quite a lot of mud and dust on the floor which looks terrible. This is affecting the whole ground floor walkway area around the swimming pool and it may well eventually stain the floor. If and when we can employ good grounds cleaners they would be cleaning it day in day out and to keep it clean which would be expensive.They will have to do some hard expensive work to large areas of outside tiles which are discoloured for some reason, they do not look good. a number of shrubs are dying to the rear of the apartments and some around the pool and nothing is being done to sort them out by the builders employees. Sounds like small problems ? this will be costly one way or another, in cleaning or no one will rent and return! The genral state of clenleness around the grounds is not at all good. There are large areas of discloured tiles (the dark red ones.) Perhaps we should all consider employing a single solicitor to bring these and other issues to the attention of those responsible in a correct official way as nothing will be done otherwise. If noone has made an official report of snagging via a solicitor in the apartments and grounds then I feel we should. We should not have to pay for a lack of attention to the builders plannig or any of the things he chose to change like having no grass or seating. Your comments please.

Posted on Thursday 26th October at 15:29:00

Colin Douch said:

Rob, sounds like maintenance problems to me rather than snagging. What maintenance arrangements did you agree when you purchased? A Community Association was supposed to be set up to deal with things like maintenance once there were 10 owners who had completed, and I heard that there are now 13, so why has it not yet been established? Have you tried talking to Antonio, the administrator?

Posted on Friday 27th October at 15:29:00

Steve Nott said:

Hi Rob & Colin, I will contact Antonio on Monday and see if we can solve the garden situation. A community needs to be formed and take over the day to day running of the complex. We will need to have a minimum of 10 full time residents. Regards, Steve

Posted on Friday 27th October at 15:30:00

Colin Douch said:

Steve, By full time resident do you mean permanent resident? If so, what happens if there are not 10 of them? Many people will be using the apartments as holiday homes or to rent out? Otherwise, as I said before there are supposed to be more than 10 owners who have completed.

Posted on Friday 27th October at 15:30:00

Rob Townsend said:

Hi , Ok that sounds good I have no idea how many are full time residents though! I am not sure there are 10 yet. I think the drainage issue from the flower beds is more than a maintanance issue though, it should not be happening in the first place. A design issue I think. regards Rob

Posted on Sunday 29th October at 15:31:00

Steve Nott said:

Hi Colin & Rob, I mean residents that complete. I was speaking to another Xabiamar owner that has not completed and she is concerned that the complex will turn into a white elephant and will be difficult to resale, through non movement of maintenance. I haven’t had a chance to speak with Antonio yet, as we have been very busy with our business. There is also a national Spanish fiesta today, Todos los Santos, All the Saints day. In South America they have a party around the graves of their lost love ones. Lets hope we don’t have to wait that long before XabiaMar residents ancestors, are dancing around us!! The next fiestas are the 6th & 8th December. So to those people visiting, the banks and shops are closed in Javea. Regards, Steve. Javea Casas. Sunny, 23c

Posted on Wednesday 1st November at 15:31:00

Rob Townsend said:

Steve have you had any news on the Cedula saga! Are things running ok at Xabiamar according to your tennants? Rob Townsend

Posted on Sunday 8th April at 15:31:00

Rob Townsend said:

Hi I hear that electric meters are meant to be fitted to each apartment on the 30th April. Hollie from Marina Villas has asked for access and bank dets. For some reason I was given the impression that it was the builder who was to pay for these services where the cedula was not issued! Comments please please reply mail email@javea-coast-rentals.co.uk as I wont be able to get to the internet for a while Regards Rob

Posted on Thursday 12th April at 15:32:00

Barrie Robinson said:

Does anyone have the remotest idea as to what is happening with this apartment block?

Posted on Saturday 4th August at 15:32:00

Stephen Nott said:

Hi Barrie, How far do you want me to go back? We have owned an apartment in Xabiamar 1, for nearly a full year, tenants are happy, we have electricity and water metres, a committee has been formed, we think. We were unable to attend the first meeting. The town hall are just being awkward about the cedula, which we will receive one day…. You can complete the purchase, if you haven’t already done so, by placing a clause in the escritura, that any further modifications, that Javea town hall request, or monies owed by the developer, will not be the responsibility of the new owners. What else would you like to know? Regards, Steve Nott

Posted on Sunday 5th August at 15:33:00

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